There are two sides to every coin—and every story. Episode 4 gave us both: John the beloved and Judas the betrayer. Joining us to talk about their distinct differences and surprising similarities are George H. Xanthis (John) and Luke Dimyan (Judas). Then writers, Ryan Swanson and Tyler Thompson, explain why they included the ninth-century Dayenu in the first-century Last Supper—and they give us a Dayenu of their own.